Very informative - you and your buds got a beer and a belch they also want to share?

Before you attack their credentials don't forget that you have not provided any proof of your own.

Before you attack their credentials don't forget that you have not provided any proof of your own.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Latin skills do not pertain to demolitions. The fact is that rebar exists in a building for a reason.

Mossad infiltrated some radical Islamic cells and convinced them to pilot those jets into the towers. Mossad helped with the logistics and financing. The Islamic individuals were fooled and really believed the Mossad operatives that an attack against the Twin Towers would help their cause.

Mossad was in on all of the details of the commercial jet attacks and covered their bets by planting remote-controlled high explosives in the lower levels of the towers to ensure complete destruction and not to have a repeat of the earlier failed attempt and to make sure that none of the Islamic pilots survived. No loose ends, this time.

Mossad’s motive was to get the US to commit military forces to fight against the Arab Islamic and to stop Saddam from underwriting the Palestinian suicide bombers who were directly attacking israel.

And this would explain the US government disconnect of allowing an open boarder with mexico. All logical reasoning would demand that the US should have shut down all immigration boarder crossings. Only if US intelligence believed that there was no imminent national security threat, would they have behaved otherwise. It’s obvious that Mossad told the CIA not to worry about the boarders.

This sounds completely plausible to me.

Latin skills do not pertain to demolitions. The fact is that rebar exists in a building for a reason.

A few more of the above, JP, and I'll have enough for a necklace.

Very informative - you and your buds got a beer and a belch they also want to share?

Sorry, but I've known these guys for years, they are the real deal, unlike your UFO website experts.

Not one of these guys has ever heard of C4 coated rebar, or of scuttling charges being incorporated into commercial skyscrapers during construction.

The WTC towers were not reinforced concrete buildings, they were "tube" type designs. The WTC used a steel core and steel outer shell tied together with lightweight steel trusses.

Assuming that scuttling charges were incorporated into the WTC towers, as you claim, that would mean that this conspiracy started in 1966 when construction started on the towers!

Wow! A conspiracy that took 35 years -- 1966 to 2001 -- ZOG is really planning ahead, isn't it?

Wow, the neocon conspiracy goes back even before neoconservatives had actually appeared!!

Sorry, but I've known these guys for years, they are the real deal, unlike your UFO website experts.

Not one of these guys has ever heard of C4 coated rebar, or of scuttling charges being incorporated into commercial skyscrapers during construction.

Which of these individuals is privy to the councils of the mighty and all the resources at the disposal thereof?

The WTC towers were not reinforced concrete buildings, they were "tube" type designs. The WTC used a steel core and steel outer shell tied together with lightweight steel trusses.

The steel core columns surrounded a rebar-reinforced concrete core.

Assuming that scuttling charges were incorporated into the WTC towers, as you claim, that would mean that this conspiracy started in 1966 when construction started on the towers!

I would not claim that the event which in fact prompted the demolition was that foreseen when the Towers were, according to this theory, pre-wired for "pulling". The Towers may have been chosen for the recent event because they were known to powerful inner party persons to be suitable for the operation.

Wow! A conspiracy that took 35 years -- 1966 to 2001 -- ZOG is really planning ahead, isn't it?

You register surprise at the unsurprising - though I would not think that 9/11 was more than the product of several recent years in the planning.

Which of these individuals is privy to the councils of the mighty and all the resources at the disposal thereof?

OK, so you're saying that my friends, who have years of experience in the construction trades and military demolitions, never heard about C4 coated rebar, and steel skyscrapers pre-wired with scuttling charges, because it is a conspiracy? Correct?

I would not claim that the event which in fact prompted the demolition was that foreseen when the Towers were, according to this theory, pre-wired for "pulling". The Towers may have been chosen for the recent event because they were known to powerful inner party persons to be suitable for the operation.

Right. The motivation for wiring the towers with scuttle charges, back in 1966, was not to aid in some ZOG plot, but to aid in the demolition of the towers, some time in the future, when their usefulness was exhausted? Correct?

According to you:

1) Wiring the towers with scuttle charges, during their construction, was not a conspiracy.

2) The fact that people, with extensive experience in construction and demolitions, never heard of such a practice points to a conspiracy!

The steel core columns surrounded a rebar-reinforced concrete core.

Wrong.

"Yamasaki and engineers John Skilling and Les Robertson worked closely, and the relationship between the towers' design and structure was clear. Faced with the difficulties of building to unprecedented heights, the engineers employed an innovative structural model: a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extended across to a central core. The columns, finished with a silver-colored aluminum alloy, were 18 3/4" wide and set only 22" apart, making the towers appear from afar to have no windows at all.

Also unique to the engineering design were its core and elevator system. The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the buildingsâ high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. For the elevators, to serve 110 stories with a traditional configuration would have required half the area of the lower stories be used for shaftways. Otis Elevators developed an express and local system, whereby passengers would change at "sky lobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors, halving the number of shaftways."

http://www.skyscraper.org/TALLEST_TOWERS/t_wtc.htm

OK, so you're saying that my friends, who have years of experience in the construction trades and military demolitions, never heard about C4 coated rebar, and steel skyscrapers pre-wired with scuttling charges, because it is a conspiracy? Correct?

Right. The motivation for wiring the towers with scuttle charges, back in 1966, was not to aid in some ZOG plot, but to aid in the demolition of the towers, some time in the future, when their usefulness was exhausted? Correct?

According to you:

1) Wiring the towers with scuttle charges, during their construction, was not a conspiracy.

2) The fact that people, with extensive experience in construction and demolitions, never heard of such a practice points to a conspiracy!

No. 1 is incorrect. No. 2 is correct. Your logic does not prove that this was a ZOG conspiracy anticipating the use of the Towers for a Pearl Harbor stunt decades later. Your error is in crediting (seemingly all) "conspiracy" with integration into a ZOG masterplan.

And I will look into the masonry issue, regarding which there seems to have been a serious dispute and charges of deception.

last night on televitz, which I sometimes watch at the gym working out, they showed a grain elevator demolition that failed. The charges went boom, and when the smoke cleared the thing kind of looked like the leaning tower of Pisa.

I thought of 9-11 and how neatly the buildings collapsed.

"Yamasaki and engineers John Skilling and Les Robertson worked closely, and the relationship between the towers' design and structure was clear. Faced with the difficulties of building to unprecedented heights, the engineers employed an innovative structural model: a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extended across to a central core. The columns, finished with a silver-colored aluminum alloy, were 18 3/4" wide and set only 22" apart, making the towers appear from afar to have no windows at all.

Also unique to the engineering design were its core and elevator system. The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the buildingsâ high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. For the elevators, to serve 110 stories with a traditional configuration would have required half the area of the lower stories be used for shaftways. Otis Elevators developed an express and local system, whereby passengers would change at "sky lobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors, halving the number of shaftways."

http://www.skyscraper.org/TALLEST_TOWERS/t_wtc.htm

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069641/

o Newsweek

`Painful and Horrible'

The engineer behind the World Trade Center speaks about the structures

The south tower, built with its twin in 1973, collapses on Tuesday

By Katherine Stroup
Newsweek Web Exclusive

Sept. 13 - Leslie Robertson, one of two engineers who designed the World Trade Center, was in Hong Kong when he first learned of Tuesday's terrorist attacks. Before the second plane even hit, he was on his way to the airport.

FORTY-EIGHT HOURS LATER, Robertson, founder and owner of Leslie E. Robertson Associates in New York, has only gotten as far as Tokyo. He's still struggling to get home to his family in Manhattan, and the project he spent 10 years designing and perfecting.

"Beyond the reaction that any citizen has--the sadness that we all feel--you have to understand, I worked long hours, seven days a week on this project back when I was young and energetic," says the 73-year-old, his voice breaking with emotion. "It was just terrible to watch, painful and horrible."

Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did--managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.

"If they had fallen down immediately, the death counts would have been unimaginable," he says. "The World Trade Center has performed admirably, and everyone involved in the project should be proud."

BBC News | AMERICAS | How the World Trade Center fell

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1540044.stm

Thursday, 13 September, 2001, 12:59 GMT 13:59 UK

How the World Trade Center fell
By BBC News Online's Sheila Barter

...But as fires raged in the towers, driven by aviation fuel, the steel cores in each building would have eventually reached 800C - hot enough to start buckling and collapsing.

...The building's design was standard in the 1960s, when construction began on what was then the world's tallest building. At the heart of the structure was a vertical steel and concrete core, housing lift shafts and stairwells.

Nice try NeoNietzsche, but your BBC source is plain wrong, and Your MSNBC quote is used out of context.

The concrete in the core was used as a decking material, not as a structural element. The BBC's claim of the core columns being encased in concrete is also wrong.

A few weeks after the WTC attack, I read an engineering report that compared and contrasted the construction techniques of the WTC and the Empire State building.

The Empire State is a conventional steel column and beam construction. The steel columns and beams of the Empire State are encased with a solid fire resistant masonary. This masonary is not a structural element, but is used for fire proofing purposes only.

The WTC was a tube design. The steel elements were not encased in solid fire resistant masonry, as is the structural steel in the Empire State Building, but instead, a sprayed-on fire resistant coating was employed. The lower floors of the WTC used an asbestos coating, but the coating was changed, to a non-asbestos material, for the upper floors after asbestos fibers where banned from use in residential and office buildings.

When I find the link to the report, I'll post it.

It's interesting that you used the MSNBC article to prove your point, consider this quote from the article:

"The buildings were designed specifically to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707—the largest plane flying in 1966, the year they broke ground on the project—and Robertson says it could have survived even the larger 767s that crashed into the towers on Tuesday morning. But the thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel finally brought down the noble structures."

According to what you've been claiming, the collapse of the WTC towers, caused by a jet fuel feed fire, is all a big ZOG lie. Why would ZOG tells lies, and the truth in the same propaganda piece?

To confuse lemmings...